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Post by Ryek Marachion on Nov 7, 2014 13:44:09 GMT -5
I want to know if this effect is legal. The effect of Trini's card Cosmic thunder allows him to " loop a counter" with that counter bieng direct. What bugs me is that he's looping, making the second effect indirect, but making it a direct effect. Second, in the card, it states that " it still counts towords the having limit". From my interpretation, this means he's cutting out the usage of a additional count for his ability. I want a third party perspective to eliminate any bias that might be present
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Post by Ryan Andreson on Nov 7, 2014 18:22:58 GMT -5
What I only have is 3 question marks on my head popping up and down. Perhaps ask Zeno?
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Post by Noland Hardy on Nov 8, 2014 0:45:23 GMT -5
Honestly, I have to commend you for what you said since you were really spot on with your argument. I read the battle thread and I was not aware that a card like that was even created. Here is what I think of a full analysis of that effect.
When you pulled up the thread where I stated that unless the card says you are able to bypass a prevention, you cannot do so. I can see where you going with your argument when you pulled that up since Cosmic Thunder can fall under the same category. If by chance he was prevented from using normal abilities, and he wanted to use that card, he would say he bypasses that prevention just because of what the looped effect would do. I saw it happen in that battle and I'm not pleased. That isn't fair. You were told that despite your special condition of the card being played, you could not bypass a prevention since it was not a counter effect. Who are we to make exceptions for an identical situation and just prevent you from doing so?
It's not just the prevention that I have a problem with either. You summed it up perfectly when you said that the effect can literally allow you to have no repercussions on your counter limits, and it's true; the card is basically a free counter that is going to be activated regardless of what is on the field, and it's not going to count towards the counter limits. The effect is as quoted: "Halve your power to loop a direct counter; it means I can halve my current power to loop an ability and if the looped ability is a counter, it'll serve as a direct counter but still go towards the limit of halving power levels." Guess what rule those direct counters are under.
12. Always give your opponent a chance of using such as counter card to counter attack if you use a card that blocks/disables your opponent from using cards, etc. (Except a card that would copy/reuse a counter effect) You also cannot counter with anything extra if the opponent counters your move. (Ex. Extra abilities that you gained with effects, support weapons that you added through the use of an effect, etc.)
This means he can reap the benefits of this rule without losing a counter limit. That's ridiculous.
What Bruce has to understand is that a counter effect can be the difference between victory and defeat because of their importance and power. Those are literally the most powerful effects in the entire game, and are the only effects that can be used in practically any given situation as long as you have the limitations to use them. Cosmic Thunder is one of those examples that abuses the power of those effects and is not allowed. That is my ruling.
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Lance Kade
Brawler
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Post by Lance Kade on Nov 8, 2014 2:43:49 GMT -5
(Sorry for interfering) So are you saying that effect is illegal?
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Post by Noland Hardy on Nov 8, 2014 14:25:29 GMT -5
(Sorry for interfering) So are you saying that effect is illegal? "Cosmic Thunder is one of those examples that abuses the power of those effects and is not allowed." Yes, I am.
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